Moreover, please be careful of what the Carib MD schools public themselves. It is hot, buggy, and humid all year round. I attended a school like this in Grenada. And remember... these students have most likely been taking out hundreds of thousands worth of loans. Any comments or questions please post below! Worst comes to worst, I fake my death and tend bar in south america. How much are you paying per year? This is a real school. Box 1000 Church Street, The Bottom, Saba, Dutch Caribbean Phone: 011-599-416-3456 Fax: 011-599-416-3458 *The Massachusettes address is for Saba's administrative offices. Are they legit MDs? Cookies help us deliver our Services. Since its founding, more than 2500 students have earned their medical degree at Saba. Saba students earn top residencies at medical centers across the US and Canada. No one would take his ass if he applied as a backup. What are you other living costs? I love that Saba has such a diversity of students, and although we are in a competitive field, most students here are very supportive of one another. You will not have to wait long if you miss one application cycle. ;). They accept many who wouldn't get in elsewhere, but they fail students who can't keep up without mercy. Applied gen surg and didn't match? Saba looks like a jungle with a med school plopped in the middle of it. Third, medical school is 4 years. Saba University School of Medicine Basic Science Recognition Ceremony Graduation April 17, 2014. Actually yes, they are legit as in you get an MD that you may practice in the US with. What made you decide on saba, rather than any of the other Caribbean medical schools? That quote is so hilariously entitled lmao. "The secondary application fees range from zero to $100," says Levitan. and etc. Meaning 60% of students matched AT ALL. ... Ross University School of Medicine. Also this post is about offshore medical schools in the Caribbean, not the regional medical schools that are for Caribbean people meant to practice in the Caribbean. I will try to be unbiased but quick disclaimer: I am NOT a fan of these for-profit schools and so my post will inevitably be anti-Carib MD. The teaching follows the american model. She immersed herself in several community projects and was transformed by her work with the Street Medicine group. Of them, the average GPA and MCAT is around a 3.2-3.4 and a 24-27. For Caribbean medical school graduates, it can be challenging to get matched into some of the most competitive specialties. Because they cannot get into a US MD. ... Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Tumblr Pinterest Reddit VKontakte Share via Email Print. This is a massive mistake. Actually she was a planeswalker then the scramble verse happened and slobad got her spark, 5 Cards That Might Need a Ban in Standard, Orzhov 8-Dancer: The New Tier 1 Monster in Historic. All I can do is say my piece and let those that want to risk it to go. Interview Feedback is the original databank of real interview questions from medical, dental, and other health professional schools. Caribbean medical school discussion forum. They had a tuition I could afford and a great Step pass rate. Saba: Saba University School of Medicine is located in Saba (population: 1,824), an island only five square miles in size. Here is another version of this exact write up by /u/Ryndo which is amazing. Biggest misconception about Caribbean medical schools? This is another blog titled "Why SGU may not be for you". It's like fight club, you enter soft and flabby mentally, but after a month you are carved from wood. Imagine that. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. source, source, and source. That's SIGNIFICANTLY more than the 952 that entered. The total tuition for the medical education is $110,000, which is comparable to a public medical school in the US.In fact, the tuition is a bit cheaper than my school’s tuition (even though I attend a public medical school). Etc. Carib MD's have very high attrition rates. As with anything, proceed with caution. If I don't get accepted into a US medical school, I've considered this, but I'm very concerned about being able to find a residency. Then again, I don't think anybody every truly is. Serious manner in which the school approaches medical education.Location is condusive to study Facilities are nice Etc. There’s just something about it… it’s only 5 square miles, a dot in the ocean, and you can hardly locate it on a map of the Caribbean, let alone a map of the world. 3. St. George's is considered one of the top Carib MDs, how do they perform and match? That's scary. Pre-medical students might be considering Caribbean medical schools as a way to become a U.S. doctor. Unsure if this is the right place to post, but what the hell. Saba has no mercy, and even had a reputation as such amongst other Carib schools from what other students tell me. That's not even considering the students that drop out or are dismissed before graduating. Noche says: December 7, 2017 at 1:18 am I couldn’t agree with you more. Here's a discussion in r/medicalschool about going Caribbean. Here is a famous blog by a Caribbean student. It’s I want to preface this with something: anyone is entitled to make an informed decision and go to the Caribbean to get their MD. Ross is one of the most experienced Caribbean medical schools serving students. Most stateside schools give match percentages for TOP CHOICE. Other programs have way lower match/placement rates. I was well prepared for my exams and for clinicals I feel, but what you put in is what you get out. About the Ads Our History How We Moderate Vision, Values and Policies Support for Black Lives Matter Looking back, how do you feel about your decision to attend a Caribbean school? I just didn't get in anywhere and didn't want to wait to try again. You will not have to wait long if you miss one application cycle. Medical students interact with patients from their very first semester and learn from a combination of lectures, small groups, standardized patient exercises and clinical skills throughout the four years. It's around 80% MATCH RATE for ACGME residencies with another 6% being able to SOAP, which is what Carib MD's apply into, which is obviously way higher than the 50% match rate of IMG's overall and the 30% of students who need to SOAP into a residency resulting in around a 66% placement rate. r/premed (and honestly the entire premed population ranging from SDN to people still using hotmail and DSL internet) has needed a resource for many years that shows what going to a for-profit medical school in the Caribbean is really like. Also, did you matriculate directly out of your undergrad program? By Renee Marinelli, M.D. DOs have a 99% placement rate between ACGME and AOA residencies. I asked students of Saba, Ross, and AUC and from what I learned saba was the most competitive. Still not convinced? Here is Gonnif's advice from SDN. No matter how the medical school admissions landscape has changed over the years, one thing has remained constant: GPA and MCAT score are the foundation of every application. Saba now has the US federal direct loans so those help out quite a bit, otherwise my family is loaning me the money in a formal loan. I know my analysis is not perfect by any means, but the purpose of it is so show how frustratingly difficult it is to get any actual answers from these programs. They had over 860 residency placements in 2017. You tell me that's not better. Saba University School of Medicine was founded in 1992 as an international alternative to U.S. and Canadian medical schools. Because of its low tuition, if I applied to Caribbean medical schools, Saba Medical School would one of them. I am rotating through clinicals now and not a single resident or attending cares what school I'm from, only the caliber of my work. Let's get some perspective. Official r/premed warning to NOT attend an offshore Caribbean medical school: making an informed decision, 5200 students enrolled, for an average of 1,300 students per year, BOTH start dates as in 2009 each class started with around 430 students with the number increasing, They had over 860 residency placements in 2017, SGU had around a 66% match rate for US-IMGs, Read up on what a claimed 99% match rate means for Ross University, Here is another version of this exact write up by /u/Ryndo which is amazing. Here's a nice little compilation I've made! I hope that straightens that out. More on this later. I am a US citizen. Saba University School of Medicine. The goal of this post is to provide prospective medical students with some information that will likely not be volunteered to you by the admissions office of the school. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. There’s just something about it… it’s only 5 square miles, a dot in the ocean, and you can hardly locate it on a map of the Caribbean, let alone a map of the world. What a First-Year Medical School Student Can Expect Knowing what a typical day could be like and avoiding seven mistakes can lead to a strong first year. More often it takes you a bit more. It's dramatic and he's a pretentious douchebag but it's worth a read, This is another blog titled "Why SGU may not be for you", Here's a discussion in r/medicalschool about going Caribbean. It is a tiny island with little on it. I am not going to comment on the actual medical education one may receive. The medical schools of Saint Kitts and Nevis have a match rate of 45%. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Well that's odd, it states their starting class is in Fall 2016 is 952 which includes BOTH start dates as in 2009 each class started with around 430 students with the number increasing. There are 4 main Carib schools that people attend. The big 4 properly teach, especially Saba in my opinion and our clinical hospitals regularly praise Saba as some of their best students as we are self sufficient and hard working. Here are how IMGs are fairing getting interviews. 4. English: At least one year of college-level English literature or composition. In case you didn't know, you can match OUTSIDE of the match at unfilled programs. I'm already aware. When you use Interview Feedback, you will find common questions asked during medical school interviews as submitted by previous interviewees. Wow that's bad. I think the school skews the numbers somewhat, but I have only heard of a handful not matching into something so far. and etc. Hi there - I'm a reporter with The Pulse, a national health-and-science podcast/radio show based at WHYY in Philadelphia. The medical schools of Saint Kitts and Nevis have a match rate of 45%. And that's of the students that are STILL there. She discovered her interest in addiction medicine and homeless health. On Saba Island Saba University School of Medicine P.O. Antigua and Barbuda have two Carib MD schools that have a combined match rate of 46%. Saba looks like a jungle with a med school … At best, you will match into a non-toxic residency program. Saba went to Cooper Medical School of Rowan University in Camden, NJ. With the admin change in Ross, their class size is in the 3-400 range these days and the fail rate is huge. I'll answer throughout the day tomorrow if anybody wants to know anything about med school, Caribbean life, and whatever else. It's obvious a significant portion of students are NOT hitting them and being held back to perform. The goal of this post is to provide prospective medical students with some information that will likely not be volunteered to you by the admissions office of the school. etc. If 952 students enter, but each class has an average size of 1300, and only 610 match with another 250sh SOAPing, that's not looking so hot. They change their language on purpose. By using our Services, you agree to our use of cookies.Learn More. Ok so not too bad when you consider the 952 number. In my experience students and faculty leave Saba medical school because it is an extremely stressful place to study and work, and you don’t need that amount of stress added to your medical school experience. Student loans? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Except that 29% of them find residency OUTSIDE of the match (as reported by them). It is not only a good alternative, it should be the only option if you cannot get into a US MD. By large most of these programs are unfilled for a reason. First off, I go to SJSM. Ross recently relocated here from Dominica due to Hurricane Maria. Saba 5th semester student Geoffrey Lobban is finishing his basic sciences program and will begin his clinical rotations. You'll hear SGU say they have the most US residency placements for the past 7 years combined. This is true for every medical school. Now the actual match rate doesn't exist because SGU doesn't want you to know, but there's a HUGE disconnect between students who enter, students who actually are enrolled in the program, students who match, and students who SOAP into something. Understand you will work harder for less recognition and that nobody will hold your hand and make sure you pass. Are you concerned about finding a residency in the US? A lot of people focus on the match % and the overall numbers that they completely neglect where these students are matching and in what fields. As of 2011-2012, Saba’s tuition is $11,000 per trimester.There are a total of 10 trimesters. Someone with a Step 1 in the 250s is applying family medicine from a Carib top 4 and only received 5 interviews. After I do that if they still decide to go... good for them. Remember, if you're in the 30-50% who don't match, you're looking at crushing debt and an inability to practice as a physician. A medical school’s accreditation is the key indicator of the institution’s legitimacy and education quality. It's widely known that a lot of what makes a Carib school really hard is they have insane checkpoints you must hit to even sit for USMLE or other benchmarks. Lastly, what are you doing to fund your education? I had a 3.7 GPA I believe in undergrad with a 33S MCAT. Since its founding, more than 2500 students have earned their medical degree at Saba. Don't do it. What was it like living & studying there? The school itself is actually quite nice. Medical schools in the Caribbean have historically provided an alternative path to students with lower stats who might have otherwise given up on their dreams of practicing medicine. Saba University School of Medicine was founded in 1992 as an international alternative to U.S. and Canadian medical schools. LSU Health Shreveport is home to the only medical school in north Louisiana and one of only three in the state. However, the 952 entering students can't be a part of the students being held back just yet, so years 2-4 you have an average of 1,400 students per class. If you don't get in with a US school then Carib can definitely be a fine choice. Chemistry: One year of inorganic and one year of organic chemistry with a laboratory component. With there being more applicants than jobs, everybody is worried pretty across the board. I matriculated right out of undergrad. I'll compare DO versus Carib MD later. Ross Medical School: Ross is located in Barbados (population: 285,719). 1. At worst, you will literally ruin your life with crushing debt and no degree or no residency to show for it. I have no opinion about these schools, only the ones made for US students to come back to the US. This post is meant to inform people as much as possible of what going to the Caribbean actually entails. Here's my disclaimer so don't bring it up. Ross University School of Medicine has been providing students with the right tools to achieve excellence in their medical careers since 1978. That being said, we tend to be limited to less competitive programs and specialties unless our scores are outstanding. As someone pointed out, Saba in particular had a 60% match rate. The smaller programs outside of the Big 4 are so widely bad and have a match rate around 30%. American University of Antigua. Well this is where it gets interesting. In my experience students and faculty leave Saba medical school because it is an extremely stressful place to study and work, and you don’t need that amount of stress added to your medical school experience. US schools will hold your hand and have extra programs to help students. So out of 952 students, on average 350 of them are taking at least 1 extra year to get through the program. According to NRMP , … SGU has around a 50% match rate. Well that's a huge discrepancy... For whatever reason, there are a lot more "4 year MD students" in the program than those that start. (Ross, AUC, etc.). You could SOAP into fam med. We're doing an entire episode on failure, and I want to focus on med school because: 1) it's super-duper hard, 2) the stakes are high (including the financial stakes), and 3) for a lot of students, it represents their first experience with academic failure of any kind. That's 350 per class that's in purgatory. Match percentage is reportedly every bit as good as the US, and our step pass rates are just as good as well. If you are planning to attend an international medical school, you want to make sure you make the right choice. If you can pass all 5 semesters and the comp as the end, then you are every bit as ready as any other US student. I want ER but may have to go IM or IM/ER and switch in. In 2013 SGU had around a 66% match rate for US-IMGs. And this is SGU , one of, if not the "top" carib MD program. Saba University's graduates practice primarily in the United States and Canada. What's the match percentage at your school? But remember, these are the match rates of those that actually applied to the match. In 2013 Saba had 45 US-IMGs match while 33 did not match. Technically yes, it should be only 3.5, but that almost never happens. Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to email this to a friend (Opens in new window). Now whether they can get into a US DO is uncertain-- I have seen many people, including one of my friends, who was perfectly competitive for DO opt to go to a Carib MD chasing the MD. I have no idea where others think somehow AUC stats are better, or any of the other 3. The big 4 properly teach, especially Saba in my opinion and our clinical hospitals regularly praise Saba as some of their best students as we are self sufficient and hard working. What is a for profit Caribbean school? Whatever the exact numbers may be, we can all agree that 952 entering students --> average class size of 1400 in years 2-4 --> 860 residency placements is not good. As of 2011-2012, Saba’s tuition is $11,000 per trimester. I don't know about you but my end goal in medical school isn't JUST matching, it's matching into a program I actually at least kind of want to be at. Tuition is as posted on the saba website, but living costs vary depending on what city I am doing my rotation in. Saba has a match rate of 58% among US-IMGs. Moreover, this post will focus on attrition rates, match rates, debt, and eventually where graduates may end up. What a First-Year Medical School Student Can Expect Knowing what a typical day could be like and avoiding seven mistakes can lead to a strong first year. Getting a Saba Medical School Tuition to get into a University presents a large investment in the life of all the students that over many years will pay more than all that money and time invested to the training excellent graduates, but How to Pay for the Saba Island Medical School in Caribbean?. Let's start at the beginning and progress. 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